Kahn wrote:In the first place, I think it was stupid to create a third choice at all. It could not have possibly accomplished anything except lead to the confusion we're facing now. I think that in the final count, the "don't care" votes should just be thrown out, because they don't care either way.
Lets not start any of this shall we.
I specifically asked what people thought of the poll options I had planned to include before I went and added them. Other than to simplify the 3 options I had written out, which I think I did?, nobody came forward and said they didn't think the third option should be included at all. Anny even suggested to add the don't mind option earlier on in the thread infact. - I then posted again a couple of days later to say I would be adding the poll later that night so people knew to expect it.
If you thought it was so stupid to include it why wait until now to post and say anything? Mere days before the 2 week poll is due to end and so many people have already voted?. Why didn't you say something when I asked or at least a day or two into the poll when it was still relatively fresh would have been better even?. Please don't come complaining about this now. There was a reason I asked if people were ok with the options I suggested. If you didn't see that or if you chose to put off posting then the only person to blame is yourself I'm afraid
Few other quick comments whilst I'm here.
Anny said something on IRC last night which I couldn't agree more with:
23:34 ~SSX-Anubis • a draw does not mean the end of the issue. I do, however, feel it would be a VERY big mistake to try and turn a draw into a win for one side
23:34 ~SSX-Anubis • (not in terms of convincing, but in terms of interpreting the result to mean a win)
I know I've said before that I don't think it'd be a good idea to keep a name that only 7 people voted to keep, 8 people voted to remove and 7 don't care either way. But what I didn't mean from that was that I thought it should automatically mean we change it. I just meant that I thought it was best we tried to reach a more unanimous decision somehow and continue discussions rather than make any
The don't care voters are just entitled to their opinion as the other 2 are but because they neither care for keeping or removing that can be used both for or against either argument as we've already said. It wouldn't be right to try and turn a draw into a win for any side or to try and interpret the don't care votes into meaning we should keep it because they don't care about removing it or to remove it because they don't care about keeping it. If they felt any real desire or want to keep or remove the tag they'd have chosen to vote that way. But it works both ways which I was also trying to say. Just as it wouldn't be right for us to make a decision to remove the tag based on these poll results, it wouldn't be right to automatically chose to keep it either and so I believed discussions should have continued. That make sense/sound any better?.
19:08 @Kahn • tbh I don't think 1 vote is a clear mandate either way, but if we just leave it at that, it's a de facto win for the "keepers," even though they lost by 1 vote
^ Gotta agree with Kahn here. Pretty much what I'm trying to say above.
To reply to Anny's comment about possible influence with the Arbiter voting too. I would hope not. If people are voting for their choice of Arbiter it should be based on what they think of that person, how they think they'd approach different situations and things like that. Not based on their personal opinions or view on topics like this. We're not political parties here where each of us have our own policies and will change things to the way we personally feel they should be if we were to get elected. Our personal opinions on any of this should not make a difference with voting and should never come into it deciding who we vote for. Nobody should be influenced to vote for me if they just so happen to share my views on this subject for example. It shouldn't matter and whether I became Arbiter or not, which I doubt, you know I wouldn't try to push something just because I wanted it personally or tried to abuse powers to make it happen. Just as I don't believe anyone else here would. So yeah.. none of this stuff should have anything to do with Arbiter voting as far as I'm concerned. I would like to hope it wouldn't influence anyone else either.
Last thing. I started this discussion up again because other than BD nobody else has brought it up and I thought it should be. Was anyone else going to post about it or just leave it and expect BD to be the one to bring it up again?. Looking at the poll I think that was right to do so. Since I was the one who brought all of this up again I thought it was only right that I try to lead the discussion I started and encourage more people to post and share their views, whilst trying my best to keep it on a good track which I admit hasn't gone as well as planned. I don't believe in dumping shit on other people and leaving them to deal with stuff I've started, I just naturally try and lead rather than leaving others to do the work. Maybe that's bad of me.
Anyway I get the impression that some of you would rather let Mech (or whoever becomes the new Arbiter next week) take over and see this through and that's fine, in which case have at it. I did what I could as best I could, that's all I can do. Didn't matter to me whether I was Arbiter or not. Already pulled out of the running for that position in the past