19:12 @[SSX]Anubis • yo BD, explain to me what I need for Star Citizen? It looks from the site like you have to buy each individual ship you want to play with? Confused!
19:55 @BlackDove • Basically what you need is the game pass and a starter ship.
19:56 @BlackDove • That can be had for $40 I think. You get the Aurora which is the first starter ship. Or you can choose the Mustang which will also be a starter ship when it is completed.
19:56 @BlackDove • Mustang looks cooler, Aurora is more utility driven.
19:56 @Chaos • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pled ... er-Starter 45usd
19:56 @BlackDove • From there, you can get any of the other ships ingame really.
19:57 @BlackDove • By buying any of the other ships with real money, you just trade in work ingame for dollars.
19:57 @[SSX]Anubis • ah right. So you can get others ingame? Not just stuck with one unless you buy another?
19:57 @BlackDove • Yeah. Everything can be gotten ingame once the game starts proper.
19:57 @BlackDove • Right now tho, if you wanna play with the better ships, you gotta buy em.
19:57 @[SSX]Anubis • right, ok, that's good
19:57 @BlackDove • As it's an alpha and there's no persistent universe yet.
19:58 @BlackDove • Ie no way to get anything really, it's mostly testing days still.
19:58 @[SSX]Anubis • is it worth playing yet then with the basic ship? Or will I just be completely outclassed?
19:58 @BlackDove • Well you'll probably get kills if you ambush people, but they all have specific roles.
19:58 @BlackDove • Hornet is meant to be the best dogfighter/fighter.
19:58 @[SSX]Anubis › nods
19:59 @BlackDove • M50 the best racer/fastest.
19:59 @BlackDove • Etc.
19:59 @BlackDove • Not to say others can't do it, but provided the same person does everything perfectly in theory, obviously, the intended role ship will always come out superior.
19:59 @BlackDove • That's in an ideal world tho.
20:00 @BlackDove • Person racing an m50 can <censored> up and crash, and anyone else can win from there on.
20:00 @BlackDove • I'd suggest you spend a bit of money on what you'd want to play as.
20:01 @BlackDove • We're not strapped for cash as we were when we were kids.
20:01 @BlackDove • As I said, I spent $165 on SC.
20:01 @[SSX]Anubis › nods
20:01 @BlackDove • No need for you to go that high.
20:01 @BlackDove • But question is, what'd you wanna do in the game?
20:01 @BlackDove • Have you seen the Constellation demo btw?
20:02 @BlackDove • Or the M50 promo in "Top Gear" spirit?
20:02 @[SSX]Anubis • I haven't, no. And I think I'd probably want to dogfight honestly. Or at least, that's what I think now. Maybe the best step would be for me to buy the basic package, try it, then see what I lean to
20:03 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SpsjUHj_II
20:03 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4UR5HRM5Us
20:04 @BlackDove • the const demo is shit because it was a live demo of a buggy code, but that's what the goal is
20:05 @BlackDove • Generally, you want to watch the ship commercials to see what they're about.
20:05 @BlackDove • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pled ... F7C-Hornet
20:05 @BlackDove • That's the one I have, but I have the Super Hornet variant which you can't buy anymore.
20:06 @BlackDove • This is also one of the more popular ones, or one of its variants.
20:06 @BlackDove • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pled ... n-300/300i
20:10 @BlackDove › slaps M-Steiner around a bit with a large trout
20:10 @[SSX]Anubis • I'll have to go through the videos then I think
20:10 @BlackDove • Actually.
20:10 @BlackDove • If you want to test your system.
20:10 @BlackDove • You need to install Star Citizen.
20:11 @BlackDove • That'll be the benchmark for systems.
20:11 @BlackDove • And currently is for a lot of them.
20:11 @BlackDove • As it's Cryengine first/third person into space simulation and back.
20:11 @BlackDove • Let me know what you're leaning towards Nubis.
20:12 @BlackDove • So far in the game we have the 300i, Aurora, Hornet, M50.
20:12 @BlackDove • As in, you can play with those.
20:12 @BlackDove • Obviously because they're so complex, it takes time to make them flyable, but they're introducing them one by one with quite some speed.
20:13 @[SSX]Anubis • will do
20:13 @BlackDove • Also note: You don't have to buy the variant.
20:13 @BlackDove • All the ships in the game will be moddable.
20:13 @BlackDove • As in, you can strip out the components and then shove in the ones you want for the variant.
20:13 @BlackDove • So you can buy a barebones one, and then convert it to a stealth one or whatever.
20:13 @[SSX]Anubis • helpful
20:14 @BlackDove • Instead of shelling extra cash for the stealth one from the getgo.
20:14 @[SSX]Anubis • I'm surprised they're making so much money off ship sales if this is possib le
20:14 @BlackDove • People are buying into the idea.
20:14 @BlackDove • But yeah, they hit 56million yesterday.
20:14 @BlackDove • The last ship was $350 or so, that made 2 mill or so in a week.
20:14 @BlackDove • The next one will be $600
20:15 @BlackDove • People are crazy.
20:15 @BlackDove • And it's made explicitly clear by Roberts "this is just to support the game, you can get this shit in the game just by playing".
20:15 @[SSX]Anubis • haha. Love the Galactic Gear thing
20:15 @[SSX]Anubis • and that is ridiculous
20:15 @BlackDove • Yeah, Top Gear inspired intentionally.
20:16 @BlackDove • Since Roberts is a brit like you.
20:16 @BlackDove • Oh right.
20:16 @BlackDove • This was arguably the best commercial.
20:17 @BlackDove • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pled ... lancer-DUR
20:17 @BlackDove • And this is the other starter ship that's gonna become available pretty soon.
20:17 @BlackDove • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pled ... ng/Mustang
20:18 @BlackDove • Once they finish all the components and damage states and shit.
20:19 @[SSX]Anubis • wonder if the success of this will herald a new dawn for the genre
20:21 @M-Steiner • I'll have to watch all the ship commercials too as I wouldn't know where to start heh. I'd expect to be shit (at least at first) but PvP is usually what I focus on in games when given the option. I do play the odd racing sim every now and then but I'd probably lean more towards PvP I would think
20:27 @BlackDove • Note.
20:27 @BlackDove • The hangars support more than one ship, obviously.
20:28 @BlackDove • Also, everybody is shit the first time around.
20:28 @BlackDove • I was, and I'm a specialist with the genre.
20:29 @BlackDove • It's the same as with any other <censored> game. Practice makes you better.
20:30 @M-Steiner › nods
20:30 @BlackDove • Watch the videos then come back to me and we'll talk further.
20:30 @BlackDove • But yeah, considering your rig.
20:30 @BlackDove • Get into it, it'll put it to the limit.
20:30 @BlackDove • Game's designed roughly around next year's cards. Two of them or so.
20:36 @BlackDove • Note the game isn't only ships. It's also FPS.
20:36 @BlackDove • Like, I disable your <censored> ship, and force dock with it, enter it, kill your stupid ass, then take your <censored> ship.
20:37 @BlackDove • Game is technically FPS at core, you're just flying a ship in that FPS.
20:37 @BlackDove • I.e. Cryengine, what would you expect.
20:38 @M-Steiner • That actually sounds pretty cool heh
20:39 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plL02K-ROI
20:39 @BlackDove • This is people hacking together aspects of it.
20:39 @BlackDove • It's not in the game yet.
20:40 @BlackDove • It works, but not everything is tied together.
20:40 @M-Steiner • Guessing there will be hubs and stuff which players can dock at, shop, socialize or whatever too? in first person outside of the ship that is?. As well as walking about the hangers and shit?
20:40 @BlackDove • You can eject, then propel yourself with jetpacks.
20:40 @BlackDove • Yes, like an MMO.
20:40 @BlackDove • That's sort of the main point.
20:40 @BlackDove • What you described.
20:41 @BlackDove • It'll have a variant on Mass Effect/Alpha Protocol's conversation system too for the NPC/Quest interaction.
20:41 @BlackDove • But the places where you'll land will be for interacting with other people primarily.
20:43 @M-Steiner • hmm very nice. You see, I was never a fan of eve (tried it many years ago and found it pretty damn boring tbh) but it always seemed silly that'd you'd spend so long creating a character/avatar and then never see it or step foot outself the damn ship
20:43 @M-Steiner • which would have appealed a lot more to me
20:44 @BlackDove • This is aiming to have the EVE-like economy which they're prototyping now.
20:44 @BlackDove • But have that as a background thing.
20:45 @BlackDove • FPS and Ship stuff being the foreground.
20:45 @BlackDove • There will be a Livestream this firday where they'll show some of the shit they're working on.
20:45 @BlackDove • friday too*
20:45 @BlackDove • FPS will be unveiled at PAX AUS.
20:46 @BlackDove • If you watched the constellation video above, the tricky thing right now is to get 4 people together on one ship, to control that one ship in FPS mode (which is the mode you're in all the time) and then fend off other ships.
20:46 @BlackDove • The depth of the simulation for that is insane, but they pulled it off in that early demo I linked above.
20:47 @BlackDove • One flies the <censored> thing, two people man the turrets, and then I don't know what the <censored> the fourth person was doing. Managing systems or whatever.
20:47 @BlackDove • My Super Hornet is a two seater btw.
20:48 @BlackDove • I'll be able to invite any of you to sit in either of the seats and then we can split up the jobs like in a real fighter. One flies the other takes care of targeting and weapons, etc.
20:49 @BlackDove • Mostly the second seat is for ferrying dead bodies of people I've killed and will deliver to the authorities for a bounty.
20:49 @BlackDove • Can be used for that.
20:50 @M-Steiner • Tis no wonder they're raking in so much money tbh, all sounds incredibly ambitious (which they seem to be pulling off as well)
20:50 @M-Steiner • haha nice
20:51 @BlackDove • Yeah, the reason it's getting the money is because it's being done.
20:51 @BlackDove • And we get to see it in real time.
20:51 @BlackDove • They also give monthly reports on what it is they're doing.
20:52 @BlackDove • In addition to a weekly show with interviews etc.
20:55 @BlackDove • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm ... ember-2014
20:55 @BlackDove • That was the latest report.
20:55 @BlackDove • Note that because of the funding, there's like 300 <censored> people working on the game.
20:57 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cC14YaZluk
20:57 @BlackDove • That's super early work at the hubs you described above.
20:57 @BlackDove • (char walks funny because mocap isn't in yet, it's currently being done for both male and female)
20:58 @BlackDove • those are "stock" doll movements in cryengine
21:02 @M-Steiner • Wow. Stock character movements/animations aside that looks pretty damn impressive.
21:04 @BlackDove • Not as half as impressive as......
21:04 @BlackDove • let me find the vid....
21:04 @BlackDove • It shows you the process...
21:05 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQfK9hrfDY
21:05 @BlackDove • there ya go
21:05 @BlackDove • enjoy
21:08 @BlackDove • towards the end of the vid as they go from prefab to ani and effects, shows you the insane amount of work that goes into the shit
21:09 @BlackDove • and like the robo mechanical arm, everything has to work if it's going into the game
21:09 @BlackDove • meaning they can't cheat
21:09 @BlackDove • it slowed the production of the ships greatly because all of their components have to work in real time and withstand the simulation
21:09 @BlackDove • if thrusters or whatever is off place, the thing can't fly properly
21:10 @BlackDove • need a degree in aeronautic engineering to make video game ships ffs
21:10 @BlackDove • concept artist makes model of ship, they drop it into the game, it starts spinning uncontrollably and flying diagonally and shit
21:10 @BlackDove • back to redesign
21:15 @M-Steiner • I'll be honest.. Whilst I have been impressed with some of the stuff I'd seen of SC before, the main draw for me up until this point has first and foremost been the idea of a potential new group in there for us and playing with some of you guys again, rather than being interested in the game first and group being an added bonus.
21:16 @M-Steiner • That Planetside vid in particular has kinda sold it to me though.
21:17 @BlackDove • These are the new hangars you can <censored> around in right now. I've got the second one.
21:17 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPspFrsuJCo
21:17 @BlackDove • I "assume" they'll add modules in to <censored> around with as they get them play ready, like the FPS module they're working on.
21:17 @BlackDove • They adjust the game as it's being tested.
21:18 @BlackDove • Right now, flying has shifted dramatically from patch to patch.
21:18 @BlackDove • As they improve it.
21:19 @M-Steiner • Very picky with space stuff and sci-fi in general but the idea of having a living, breathing world to explore outside of the ships, with these different plants full of shops and what not and on a grand scale appeals to me a great deal. To think how huge the eventual game will be when it has all of the first person areas on top of the universe to explore in your ship..
21:20 @BlackDove • It'll be a game first, but really, it's not that surprising if you think about how game development has been retarded by consoles.
21:20 @BlackDove • This one's being done for a future spec PC.
21:20 @BlackDove • And only PC.
21:20 @BlackDove • Changes what you can do considerably.
21:21 @M-Steiner • Very true
21:24 @BlackDove • oh one thing
21:25 @BlackDove • because it's cry engine and you can lift shit out of the assets with ease
21:25 @BlackDove • and cryengine is free to use non commercially iirc
21:25 @BlackDove • fans can <censored> around with the stuff considerably
21:25 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpav__W2Tm4
21:26 @BlackDove • gives you a glimpse of not only what's possible to do like, right now if you booted up the <censored> sdk
21:27 @BlackDove • but also what it'll look/play like, what's possible really
21:27 @BlackDove • i mean, a fan did that
21:28 @Kahn • Haven't seen most of these before. Gonna need a whole new computer for this shit.
21:28 @BlackDove • Yeeeeeeeap
21:28 @BlackDove • The new hangars are taxing me quite a bit actually.
21:28 @BlackDove • I can barely load and play in them.
21:28 @BlackDove • I'm kinda sorta okay ingame. But the hangar is killing me.
21:29 @Kahn • I was running 5-10 FPS in the initial arena release
21:29 @BlackDove • New hangars are way up on the fidelity.
21:29 @Kahn • Damn lol
21:30 @Kahn • M-Steiner, new Elite and a few other indie titles are making their way out soon as well. So I'd say it's a potential turnaround for the genre.
21:30 @Kahn • I think the US Marines bullshit is starting to run its course. There have been loads of space strategy games lately as well.
21:31 @Kahn • Speaking of space, here's the best shot I've seen of the eclipse https://i.imgur.com/Vubo48n.jpg
21:32 @BlackDove • This is the current $350 ship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNFO-kmobZg
21:33 @BlackDove • The next one as I said will be roughly $600, but again, the draw for many people is that it'll be like a luxury transport, ie, an org headquarters, so you can invite a shitload of people to it.
21:34 @M-Steiner › nods
21:36 @BlackDove • the vid above shows you the scale
21:36 @BlackDove • both to other ships
21:36 @BlackDove • but if you look to the corner in one of the shots
21:36 @BlackDove • it has two people standing on the ground next to it
21:37 @M-Steiner • I'll upgrade my cards again next year most likely (and sell these) so as to keep up with my games a bit. Don't want to have to be turning shit all the way down again like I had been doing for a while before I got the new build.
21:38 @M-Steiner • So as long as it doesn't decide to render my upgrade worthless by the time the game is more complete, cards aside, I should be good too.
21:39 @BlackDove • Actually if you <censored>'s got the game now, we can actually play now. They have a co-up against the AI as one of the modes. If I can load the game properly...
21:39 @BlackDove • I think you're good to go with two of those.
21:39 @BlackDove • One of them would not be enough.
21:41 @M-Steiner • Will have a think about buying one of the packages or whatever when I've had a proper watch of those commercials to see what I'd likely be looking at
21:41 @BlackDove • Yeah, do that, talk to me.
21:41 @BlackDove • Good thing is
21:41 @BlackDove • If you dont' like what you bought
21:42 @BlackDove • You can "smelt it", get the money converted into currency, then buy something else.
21:42 @BlackDove • Add money to it to get something more expensive or buy something cheaper and use money for other shit.
21:42 @BlackDove • Tis what I did
21:42 @BlackDove • I didn't know much so I backed it for a base amount on kickstarter.
21:43 @BlackDove • Had the Aurora.
21:43 @BlackDove • Learned a bit, smelted the aurora, got the hornet.
21:43 @BlackDove • SMelted the hornet, got the hornet ghost
21:43 @BlackDove • Smelted the hornet ghost during the limited sale, got the super hornet.
21:43 @BlackDove • So that's an option
21:44 @BlackDove • Only thing is you can't convert the money back into real money
21:44 @M-Steiner • That's handy, not "try before you buy" as such but almost.
21:44 @BlackDove • Always stays tied to your acct.
21:44 @BlackDove • Ya
21:44 @BlackDove • oh yeah
21:44 @BlackDove • this is the ship that'll be $600
21:44 @BlackDove • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7frwCQY3hc
21:44 @Kahn • Personally I was happy to put down $30 for the game and a permanent Aurora. I feel like I'd be cheating myself out of the game content if I just bought better ships right off.
21:45 @BlackDove • 11:50 on the vid
21:45 @Kahn • I'm reasonably excited to bust out the joystick for some dogfighting, but I really would love to hear more about their planned exploration system.
21:46 @Kahn • If it's viable as its own thing then that is probably the big draw for me.
